{"id":2920,"date":"2008-02-27T14:33:00","date_gmt":"2008-02-27T20:33:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nmpolitics.net\/index\/2008\/02\/clinton-and-obama-should-thank-nader-not-trash-him\/"},"modified":"2009-08-22T14:47:18","modified_gmt":"2009-08-22T20:47:18","slug":"clinton-and-obama-should-thank-nader-not-trash-him","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/2008\/02\/clinton-and-obama-should-thank-nader-not-trash-him\/","title":{"rendered":"Clinton and Obama should thank Nader, not trash him"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a onblur=\"try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}\" href=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/_IabUCQmoheQ\/R8XJjXrNkcI\/AAAAAAAAFFU\/YE-v2jpjKNw\/s1600-h\/Nader,+Ralph.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;\" src=\"http:\/\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/_IabUCQmoheQ\/R8XJjXrNkcI\/AAAAAAAAFFU\/YE-v2jpjKNw\/s200\/Nader,+Ralph.jpg\" alt=\"\" id=\"BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5171761356592746946\" border=\"0\" \/><\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.hillaryclinton.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Hillary Clinton<\/a> blamed <a href=\"http:\/\/www.votenader.org\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\">Ralph Nader<\/a> this weekend for <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Al_gore\" target=\"_blank\">Al Gore\u2019s<\/a> 2000 loss to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.whitehouse.gov\/president\" target=\"_blank\">George W. Bush<\/a>. She\u2019s hardly the first to make such a statement, but the comment reveals the patronizing attitudes that still pervade her party.  <\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.barackobama.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Barack Obama<\/a> wasn\u2019t much nicer, saying Nader \u201cdid not know what he was talking about\u201d when he claimed there was no difference between Bush and Gore.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">But it\u2019s <st1:city st=\"on\"><st1:place st=\"on\">Clinton<\/st1:place><\/st1:city>\u2019s comments that really got to me: She said categorically that Nader \u201cis responsible for George W. Bush.\u201d She\u2019s wrong. You know who is \u201cresponsible\u201d for Bush being elected? Gore. The Democratic Party. The American public.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I first became aware of Nader as a high-school senior in 1996. I didn\u2019t get to vote that year \u2013 the election was held about five weeks before I turned 18 \u2013 but I would have voted for him.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I\u2019ll be honest: I was completely ignorant at the time about what Nader believed. I was part of a group of students in my class at St. Michael\u2019s High School in <st1:city st=\"on\"><st1:place st=\"on\">Santa Fe<\/st1:place><\/st1:city> who, when we were assigned to participate in a mock presidential election, decided <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Bill_clinton\" target=\"_blank\">Bill Clinton<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Bob_dole\" target=\"_blank\">Bob Dole<\/a> were unacceptable choices and began looking for another option.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">We discovered Nader.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">We decided to try a political experiment: We wouldn\u2019t engage in any debate on the issues. We wouldn\u2019t even really educate ourselves on what Nader believed. We would simply try to make voting for him cool, and see if we could win the school\u2019s mock election that way.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">For many of us, it wasn\u2019t about the issues. It was about protesting the two-party system that has been dominated by white men and corrupted by money.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">A few weeks before the election, a poll of students confirmed what we suspected: Nader was way ahead of Dole and right on the heels of <st1:city st=\"on\"><st1:place st=\"on\">Clinton<\/st1:place><\/st1:city> in our mock election. We called the Nader campaign. He was going to be in <st1:city st=\"on\">Denver<\/st1:city> the following week, and his campaign was excited enough about our news that Nader scheduled a visit to <st1:city st=\"on\"><st1:place st=\"on\">Santa Fe<\/st1:place><\/st1:city> to meet with us and speak publicly at the Roundhouse.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">So in 1996, Nader held a press conference at the Roundhouse, with me and another student by his side, and talked about his presidential campaign and the importance of the next generation, using us as the example. Before the news conference began, he pulled us aside and talked with us for several minutes about the importance of being involved.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><st1:city st=\"on\"><st1:place st=\"on\">Clinton<\/st1:place><\/st1:city> won the mock election at St. Mike\u2019s. Nader finished a close second, and Dole\u2019s finish was pathetic.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: bold;\" class=\"MsoNormal\"><span style=\"font-size:130%;\">Nader has helped force the dems to change<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">The point is this: Nader has taken the time during his presidential runs to foster excitement among independents and young people, and he had some success in 2000. That scared Democrats. But instead of looking inward and considering why they were failing to bring Nader supporters into the Democratic Party, they blamed Nader for Bush.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">That\u2019s like saying the car manufacturer is responsible when a drunken driver crashes its automobile into a crowd of people. Or like saying the gun maker is responsible when a psychopath goes on a rampage on a college campus. Nader didn\u2019t force people to vote for him. They made that choice.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">As proof that Nader wasn\u2019t to blame for Gore\u2019s loss, an equally uninspiring <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/John_kerry\" target=\"_blank\">John Kerry<\/a> lost four years later without Nader garnering any significant support. The problem wasn\u2019t Nader. It was the Democratic Party.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">This year, people are turning out in record numbers to see Clinton and Obama. To some degree, the party has changed. It has figured out that it needs more than white, male candidates. It\u2019s decided to pay more attention to Hispanics. Obama, and to a lesser degree <st1:city st=\"on\"><st1:place st=\"on\">Clinton<\/st1:place><\/st1:city>, have learned that if they speak to the issues of young people, some young people will pay attention and get involved.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I give Nader some of the credit for the Democratic Party\u2019s awakening. The support he gained in 2000 forced the party to begin a serious examination of its own problems. It took another devastating loss in 2004 for the party to really take those problems seriously, and in 2008 we\u2019ve seen a slate of Democratic presidential candidates much different than any in this nation\u2019s history.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Clinton and Obama can trash Nader all they want, but his 2000 run helped pave the way for them to be where they are today. They should thank him, and realize that his insistence on continuing to pester the Democratic Party by running for president again this year is helping keep Democrats honest.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I wish the Republican Party had a similar thorn in its side.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p> <\/o:p><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-style: italic;\" class=\"MsoNormal\">A version of this article was published today on the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.politicswest.com\/2008_election\/20841\/mad_voter_democrats_should_thank_nader_not_trash_him\" target=\"_blank\">Diary of a Mad Voter<\/a> blog published by the Denver Post\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.politicswest.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Politics West<\/a> and the independent Web site <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newwest.net\/member\/bio\/18376\/\" target=\"_blank\">NewWest.net<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hillary Clinton blamed Ralph Nader this weekend for Al Gore\u2019s 2000 loss to George W. Bush. She\u2019s hardly the first to make such a statement, but the comment reveals the patronizing attitudes that still pervade her party. Barack Obama wasn\u2019t much nicer, saying Nader \u201cdid not know what he was talking about\u201d when he claimed [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[10],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2920","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-haussamen-columns"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2920","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2920"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2920\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2920"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2920"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2920"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}