{"id":173680,"date":"2016-08-04T16:22:54","date_gmt":"2016-08-04T22:22:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/?p=173680"},"modified":"2016-08-08T16:06:52","modified_gmt":"2016-08-08T22:06:52","slug":"regions-surveyors-launch-effort-to-save-nmsu-academic-program","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/2016\/08\/regions-surveyors-launch-effort-to-save-nmsu-academic-program\/","title":{"rendered":"Region&#8217;s surveyors launch effort to save NMSU academic program"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_173926\"  class=\"wp-caption module image alignnone\" style=\"max-width: 771px;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-173926\" src=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Surveyor1-771x548.jpg\" alt=\"Surveyor\" width=\"771\" height=\"548\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Surveyor1-771x548.jpg 771w, https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Surveyor1-336x239.jpg 336w, https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Surveyor1-768x546.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Surveyor1-1170x831.jpg 1170w, https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Surveyor1.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 771px) 100vw, 771px\" \/><p class=\"wp-media-credit\">Heath Haussamen \/ NMPolitics.net<\/p><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">A surveyor with Wilson &amp; Company maps property lines, elevation and other factors along Miranda Street in Las Cruces on Thursday as the city prepares to install new lights. NMSU&#8217;s proposal to cut its Surveying Engineering academic program could lead to reduced standards for surveyors in New Mexico, harming the profession and putting the public at risk, many say.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Professional surveyors from across the region\u00a0are making a push to stop New Mexico State University from cutting\u00a0one of only a handful of four-year surveying degree programs in the United States.<\/p>\n<p>NMSU&#8217;s administration is moving forward\u00a0with plans to cut the Surveying Engineering program anyway, though the proposal still requires a recommendation from the Faculty Senate and approval <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/2016\/07\/decision-to-cut-nmsu-surveying-engineering-program-isnt-yet-final\/\" target=\"_blank\">of the university&#8217;s governing body, the Board of Regents<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Officials from the <a href=\"http:\/\/nmps.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">New Mexico Professional Surveyors<\/a>\u00a0(NMPS) met last week\u00a0with NMSU&#8217;s engineering dean, Lakshmi Reddi, to urge a change of heart and offer possible financial support. David Acosta, president of NMPS and of\u00a0Construction Survey Technologies in Albuquerque, said the professional association\u00a0can pledge an annual gift to NMSU of &#8220;$0-$30,000 depending on many variables we have to discuss.&#8221;<\/p>\n<aside class=\"module align-left half type-aside\">\n<h3>Read more<\/h3>\n<p>The New Mexico Professional Surveyors put together a five-page document that makes the case for keeping NMSU&#8217;s Surveying Engineering program and suggests improvements. Read it <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Recommendations-and-Justifications_Report.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/aside>\n<p>NMSU&#8217;s administration, which is struggling to meet a $12.1 million budget shortfall in the current fiscal year, says the university would\u00a0save\u00a0$340,644 each year by <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/2016\/07\/decision-to-cut-nmsu-surveying-engineering-program-isnt-yet-final\/\" target=\"_blank\">eliminating the Surveying Engineering program<\/a>. So the possible financial support from NMPS is, at best, less than a tenth of the cost of keeping the program going.<\/p>\n<p>NMSU is making <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/2016\/07\/nmsu-cuts-on-campus-employee-health-services-equestrian-team-surveying-engineering-program\/\" target=\"_blank\">other cuts<\/a>, including <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/2016\/07\/nmsu-releases-list-of-jobs-being-eliminated\/\" target=\"_blank\">eliminating jobs<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/2016\/06\/nmsu-regents-ok-employee-benefit-cuts-more-may-be-needed\/\" target=\"_blank\">reducing employee benefits<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/2016\/06\/carruthers-other-high-paid-nmsu-employees-taking-pay-cuts\/\" target=\"_blank\">cutting administrator pay<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/2016\/07\/nmsu-changes-mind-gives-equestrian-team-one-more-year\/\" target=\"_blank\">defunding its equestrian team <\/a>because of the\u00a0budget shortfall, which was caused largely\u00a0by reductions\u00a0in state funding and decreased student enrollment. All colleges and administrative divisions are being required to reduce\u00a0their budgets by between 5 and 6.2 percent.<\/p>\n<p>NMPS has collected dozens of\u00a0letters to Reddi from New Mexico and beyond\u00a0that express\u00a0support for\u00a0keeping the Surveying Engineering\u00a0program. They include\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/NMSU-SE-ProgramSupportLetterAndSignatureSupport_NMDOT-SLE.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">a letter<\/a> from the N.M. Department of Transportation signed by Cabinet Secretary Tom Church\u00a0and other DOT officials, which states that the agency\u00a0currently employs seven graduates of NMSU&#8217;s Surveying Engineering program.<\/p>\n<p>The letters, which Acosta provided to NMPolitics.net, communicate a consistent message:\u00a0The skills taught in\u00a0the NMSU program are essential for surveyors. There&#8217;s a shortage of qualified surveyors nationwide. NMSU&#8217;s program puts people to work in important jobs. Eliminating the program\u00a0could lead to reduced\u00a0standards for surveyors in New Mexico, which would harm the profession and put the public at risk.<\/p>\n<p>For example, Andreas Linnan, New Mexico Southern Branch president for the American Society of Civil Engineers, <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/ASCE-Southern-Branch-SE-Support-Letter.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">wrote to Reddi<\/a>\u00a0that it is &#8220;difficult to understand&#8221; why NMSU would cut\u00a0the program, &#8220;especially in a time when the Borderlands is one of the fastest growing infrastructures not only in New Mexico but in the US and Mexico.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Grooming an educated and qualified work force is crucial to attract and support investments in rail &amp; road construction to create a sustainable transportation network capable to handle the anticipated cargo without destroying our environment,&#8221; Linnan wrote.<\/p>\n<p>Bryan Wolfe, acting deputy director of the City of Albuquerque&#8217;s Department of Municipal Development, <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/BwolfeSupportLetter.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">wrote<\/a> that the city is having a difficult time filling jobs with qualified, licensed surveyors.\u00a0Cutting NMSU&#8217;s program would exacerbate the problem, he wrote.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;This impact would occur at a time when the City and other organizations throughout the state are trying to prevent the &#8216;brain drain&#8217; that New Mexico has so long suffered from &#8212; the loss of its young people to institutions outside the state,&#8221; Wolfe wrote.<\/p>\n<p>The letters\u00a0suggest an impact beyond New Mexico\u00a0if the Surveying Engineering program is eliminated.\u00a0John B. Guyton, CEO of Flatirons Inc. Surveying and Engineering, which has three offices around Denver, Colo., employs 11 professional surveyors. Colorado universities have no four-year surveying program, and\u00a0Gutyon <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/JB-Guyton-NMSU-Dr-Reddi-letter-of-support-7-20-2016.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">wrote to Dean Reddi<\/a> that discontinuing NMSU&#8217;s program &#8220;will impact my business in a negative way, and reduce our ability to protect property rights and the public welfare.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I realize that many considerations go into the termination of a degree program,&#8221; Guyton\u00a0wrote. &#8220;But I want to assure you that the need for such graduates extends beyond the borders of New Mexico.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>NMSU Chancellor Garrey Carruthers and his administration don&#8217;t appear to be reconsidering. Asked for comment about NMPS&#8217; efforts to save the Surveying Engineering program, university spokesman Justin Bannister said, &#8220;We don\u2019t have anything to add at this time. Our prescribed process is continuing.&#8221;<\/p>\n<h3>Surveying profession &#8216;depends on&#8217; NMSU<\/h3>\n<p>Becoming a licensed surveyor in New Mexico currently\u00a0requires\u00a0a four-year degree in a surveying program like NMSU&#8217;s &#8212; there are only seven\u00a0of those programs across the nation &#8212; or a four-year degree in a related field such as civil engineering plus\u00a018 surveying credit hours and work-related experience. Central New Mexico Community College in Albuquerque has a two-year associate&#8217;s degree program that helps students work toward a bachelor&#8217;s degree in surveying engineering at NMSU without having to spend as many years in Las Cruces.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>The surveying profession &#8220;depends on the NMSU program to&#8230; fill important jobs with governmental agencies and private businesses,&#8221; said Acosta, the NMPS president.<\/p>\n<p>Surveyors do many important jobs related to infrastructure, property disputes, and mapping. They&#8217;re usually the first and last people at a construction site, Acosta said. &#8220;Surveyors also assume a lot of responsibility and liability by laying out and staking the locations of buildings, utilities, drainage structures and boundary lines,&#8221; he said.<\/p>\n<p>On Thursday, two surveyors with the business Wilson &amp; Company\u00a0were mapping property lines, elevation and other factors along Miranda Street in Las Cruces as the city prepares to install new lights.<\/p>\n<p>The National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying (NCEES) recommends <a href=\"http:\/\/ncees.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/01\/Benefits-of-a-Four-Year-Degree-Requirement-for-Surveying-Licensure.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">on its website<\/a> that surveyors go through rigorous academic programs before doing such work. That&#8217;s meant &#8220;to protect the public from fraudulent and underqualified individuals.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;&#8230;the main filter for public protection in a learned profession is college admission and completion of a college program, not an exam,&#8221; (NCEES)\u00a0states. &#8220;Lawyers, architects, doctors, dentists, and engineers pass their professional exams at nearly a 100 percent rate because they were highly selected by (1) college admissions and (2) completing the required program.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Acosta said NMPS fears that cutting NMSU&#8217;s program &#8220;would lower the bar to\u00a0practice\u00a0surveying &#8212; and this, we believe, will\u00a0negatively\u00a0effect the public\u00a0due to\u00a0less-educated professionals practicing.&#8221; Basically, he and others believe surveying could become an experience-based trade in New Mexico that requires passing a test but not completing the academic degree that is currently required.<\/p>\n<h3>Higher\u00a0standards<\/h3>\n<p>Courts in Florida and Kentucky\u00a0&#8220;have ruled that Surveying was not a profession due to the absence of a 4-year survey degree requirement&#8221; in those states, Christopher Medina, who owns Terra Land Surveys LLC in Corrales and is a\u00a0past president of NMPS, wrote in an email.<\/p>\n<p>New Mexico, on the other hand, has worked for decades\u00a0to establish surveying as a profession, Medina\u00a0wrote. That started in 1959 when surveyors\u00a0formed their first professional organization. The state gradually increased educational requirements for surveyors over time. New Mexico has required a four-year degree\u00a0for more than 20 years.<\/p>\n<aside class=\"module align-left half type-aside\">\n<h3>Watch<\/h3>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/0ZljsbPt5-I?rel=0\" width=\"300\" height=\"169\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>NMSU Chancellor Garrey Carruthers shares his message for employees impacted by the university&#8217;s budget cuts and his message for NMSU students and their parents and\/or guardians. You can also watch <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/0ZljsbPt5-I\" target=\"_blank\">on YouTube<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/aside>\n<p>&#8220;With the removal of the degree requirement, the hard work that has been done for the last 50 years to promote the survey profession and hold it to a higher standard for the better of the profession and the public will be eliminated,&#8221; Medina wrote.<\/p>\n<p>Technology has changed the profession dramatically, and Medina and others say educational requirements are critical today. Surveying is more than defining property boundaries, Medina wrote; it&#8217;s &#8220;the art, science, and technology of detecting the relative position of points at, above, or below the surface of the earth; or establishing such points.&#8221; That requires &#8220;a solid knowledge of advanced math, boundary law, earth sciences, computer aided drafting, technical writing, physics, and technically advanced equipment and computer programs.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It is critical for the public welfare that the surveyors licensed to practice within our state have that formal education that provides the knowledge, technical basis, problem solving abilities and critical thinking skills required to protect the public,&#8221; Medina wrote.<\/p>\n<h3>&#8216;To serve the public good&#8217;<\/h3>\n<p>Daniel R. Muth, chairman of the Arizona Professional Land Surveyors Association, <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/APLS-NMSU.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">wrote to Reddi<\/a> that NMSU has one of two accredited surveying engineering programs in the Southwest. Cutting the program, he\u00a0wrote, &#8220;would be in my opinion a short sighted mistake with lasting unintended consequences.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Muth, a 1995 graduate of NMSU&#8217;s Surveying Engineering program, wrote that &#8220;experience alone will not suffice in today\u2019s environment to make a professional surveyor.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It takes a strong combination of education to reinforce foundational experience,&#8221; Muth wrote. &#8220;NMSU did that for me. I would like to see NMSU continue to provide that superior level of education to future generations of prospective surveyors.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Curtis W. Sumner, executive director of the\u00a0National Society of Professional Surveyors, which is based in Maryland, also\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/New-Mexico-State-Univ-letter-7-21-16.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">wrote to Reddi<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The laws of New Mexico related to professional licensing recognize that those individuals seeking to protect the property rights, and preserve the health, safety, and welfare of the citizens of New Mexico as licensed professional surveyors must have obtained a four-year degree,&#8221; he wrote. &#8220;The Surveying Engineering program at NMSU is the only program in New Mexico focused specifically on providing that prerequisite education for such licensure.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Michael J. MacInnis, another 1995 graduate of NMSU&#8217;s Surveying Engineering program who owns Native Survey Co. in Taft, Texas, <a href=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/NMSU-Letter.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">wrote<\/a> that he was &#8220;appalled&#8221; to learn the\u00a0program might be cut.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;If the Surveying Engineering program costs more to run than it makes for the University, then so be it,&#8221;MacInnis wrote. &#8220;NMSU is a public university, and public universities exist to serve the public good, not to make a profit.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>NMSU&#8217;s administration is moving forward with plans to cut the Surveying Engineering program anyway, though the proposal still requires a recommendation from the Faculty Senate and approval of the university&#8217;s governing body, the Board of Regents.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":173926,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[196,125,3275,133],"class_list":["post-173680","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-news-and-analysis","tag-budget","tag-education","tag-infrastructure","tag-nmsu"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/173680","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=173680"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/173680\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/173926"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=173680"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=173680"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=173680"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}