{"id":132409,"date":"2016-03-03T11:15:03","date_gmt":"2016-03-03T18:15:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/?p=132409"},"modified":"2016-03-03T11:15:03","modified_gmt":"2016-03-03T18:15:03","slug":"ben-carsons-small-dollar-donors-could-keep-yielding-big-money","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/2016\/03\/ben-carsons-small-dollar-donors-could-keep-yielding-big-money\/","title":{"rendered":"Ben Carson&#8217;s small-dollar donors could keep yielding big money"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Ben Carson\u2019s presidential bid has <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/politics\/ben-carson-to-tell-supporters-he-sees-no-path-forward-for-campaign\/2016\/03\/02\/d6bef352-d9b3-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_carson_220pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory\" target=\"_blank\">failed<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>But the retired neurosurgeon\u2019s campaign succeeded wildly at one thing: collecting personal \u2014 and lucrative \u2014 information from more than 700,000 donors and millions of fans.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_132414\"  class=\"wp-caption module image alignleft\" style=\"max-width: 336px;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ben_Carson#\/media\/File:Ben_Carson_by_Gage_Skidmore_7.jpg\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-132414 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Carson-Ben-336x250.jpg\" alt=\"Ben Carson\" width=\"336\" height=\"250\" srcset=\"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Carson-Ben-336x250.jpg 336w, https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Carson-Ben-768x571.jpg 768w, https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Carson-Ben-771x574.jpg 771w, https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/Carson-Ben.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 336px) 100vw, 336px\" \/><\/a><p class=\"wp-media-credit\">Gage Skidmore<\/p><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ben Carson, speaking in Phoenix in August 2015. (<a href=\"http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/3.0\/\" target=\"_blank\">photo cc info<\/a>)<\/p><\/div>\n<p>This database is a potential post-campaign money machine: The remnants of Carson\u2019s campaign could wring riches from a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicintegrity.org\/2015\/12\/14\/19002\/inside-ben-carsons-small-dollar-fundraising-machine\" target=\"_blank\">legion of small-dollar supporters<\/a> for years to come, as other campaigns have done before it.<\/p>\n<p>How? By renting supporters\u2019 information to other candidates, political committees \u2014 even for-profit data brokers \u2014 that may, in turn, use it to raise money.<\/p>\n<p>If history is a guide, some of the primary beneficiaries of renting Carson\u2019s list would likely be his own campaign consultants and political operatives, who typically oversee marketing such lists and administering what remains of the campaign apparatus.<\/p>\n<p>Some Carson donors are unaware their information could be marketed to others, and when they find that\u2019s the case, they\u2019re not pleased.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI would be really, really surprised if Dr. Carson did that,\u201d said Travis Creed, 76, a donor from Pine Bluff, Arkansas. \u201cI would be very disappointed if someone else called me, especially if they told me they bought a list with my name on it. There\u2019s too much of that kind of thing going on in this country already.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A high percentage of Carson\u2019s contributors hasn\u2019t previously given to political candidates, the Center for Public Integrity <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicintegrity.org\/2015\/12\/14\/19002\/inside-ben-carsons-small-dollar-fundraising-machine\" target=\"_blank\">recently reported<\/a>, which means those donors are less likely to be on other political lists already in circulation. This makes Carson\u2019s supporter database an even more valuable commodity, to the party and to others who want to raise money.<\/p>\n<aside class=\"module align-left half type-aside\">\n<h3>About this article<\/h3>\n<p>This story comes from the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.publicintegrity.org\/2016\/03\/03\/19393\/ben-carsons-small-dollar-donors-could-keep-yielding-big-money\" target=\"_blank\">Center for Public Integrity<\/a>, a nonprofit, nonpartisan investigative media organization in Washington, D.C. It\u2019s\u00a0part of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicintegrity.org\/politics\/buying-president-2016?utm_campaign=syndication&amp;utm_source=yahoo-news&amp;utm_medium=taxonomy-link\" target=\"_blank\">Buying of the President 2016<\/a>. Tracking the candidates, political committees and nonprofits that are making this presidential election the most expensive in history.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicintegrity.org\/politics\/buying-president-2016?utm_campaign=syndication&amp;utm_source=yahoo-news&amp;utm_medium=taxonomy-link\" target=\"_blank\">Click here<\/a> to read more stories in this investigation.\u00a0This story was co-published with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pri.org\/stories\/2016-03-03\/ben-carsons-big-success-wringing-cash-and-information-700000-people\" target=\"_blank\">PRI<\/a>. A version of this story was published with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nbcnews.com\/politics\/2016-election\/how-much-ben-carson-s-donor-list-worth-millions-n530646\" target=\"_blank\">NBC News<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/aside>\n<p>Larry Ross, a spokesman for the Carson campaign, said the campaign would not answer detailed questions about how donor information would be used.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAs Dr. Carson is still running for President of the United States, and intends to stay in the race as long as he continues to receive revenue and support of &#8216;We the People,\u2019 the campaign does not answer hypothetical questions, including use of mailing lists,\u201d he said in an email to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.publicintegrity.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Center for Public Integrity<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>On Wednesday, Carson released a statement saying, \u201cI do not see a political path forward in light of last evening\u2019s Super Tuesday primary results.\u201d He did not explicitly say he would suspend his campaign, but indicated he would not attend Thursday\u2019s Republican debate.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHowever, this grassroots movement on behalf of \u2018We the People\u2019 will continue,\u201d Carson said in the statement, promising that he would address \u201cthe future of this movement\u201d in a speech Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference near Washington, D.C.<\/p>\n<h3>Six bucks a head<\/h3>\n<p>So what\u2019s the market value for a typical Carson donor\u2019s personal information?<\/p>\n<p>About $5 to $6 per donor name, said Walter Lukens, head of direct response marketing firm the Lukens Company.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Lukens has worked for a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thelukenscompany.com\/clients\/political\/\" target=\"_blank\">long list<\/a> of political clients, including the Republican National Committee and presidential candidates such as U.S. Sen. John McCain of Arizona and <a href=\"http:\/\/docquery.fec.gov\/cgi-bin\/fecimg\/?201511129003334848\" target=\"_blank\">U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The price goes up if Carson is himself willing to sign solicitations for other political committees that rent his supporter database, Lukens said.<\/p>\n<p>Lukens conservatively estimated Carson\u2019s campaign committee could earn $4 million or so over three years of renting its supporters\u2019 information.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAs long as he continues to be a viable spokesman for a particular perspective around politics, an agenda, then he can make money on that forever and ever and ever,\u201d Lukens said of the list.<\/p>\n<p>Some defunct political campaigns operate like small corporations designed to sell an asset \u2014 like donor lists.<\/p>\n<p>During the 2010 election cycle, for example, Hillary Clinton\u2019s 2008 presidential campaign committee reported more than $3.1 million in list rental income.<\/p>\n<p>Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker\u2019s presidential campaign, which still owes about $1.1 million to various vendors, is charging $10,500 to send one email to its list of 675,000 supporters, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.politico.com\/story\/2016\/02\/scott-walker-email-marco-rubio-ted-cruz-219071#ixzz3zpDxBA00\" target=\"_blank\">according<\/a> to <em>Politico<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Mitt Romney\u2019s 2012 presidential campaign committee still functions in zombie state, and reported raking in nearly $1.4 million in list rental income in 2015.<\/p>\n<p>Romney\u2019s list, the most recent national list assembled by a Republican presidential nominee, has been rented by a variety of political and special interests: the National Republican Senatorial Committee, a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.publicintegrity.org\/2015\/02\/24\/16809\/mitt-romney-rand-paul-and-porno-spoof\" target=\"_blank\">nonprofit<\/a> that promotes gay and lesbian rights, even Carson\u2019s campaign.<\/p>\n<p>Much of the money flows right back out.<\/p>\n<p>One of the top recipients of the Romney campaign committee\u2019s cash is Red Curve Solutions, which was founded by Bradley Crate, the former deputy chief financial officer for the Romney campaign. Red Curve received about $430,000 in 2015 for compliance and communications consulting, according to campaign finance records.<\/p>\n<p>Roughly another $420,000 went to a consulting company headed by Romney aide Matthew Waldrip for \u201clist rental consulting.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Crate said Red Curve handles the administrative work for the campaign committee, including campaign finance filings and paying taxes on the list rental income.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe reason [the campaign committee] stays open is so that the list can remain on the market for those future candidates and current candidates,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n<h3>Big money<\/h3>\n<p>Carson\u2019s campaign has been a fundraising juggernaut, taking in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicintegrity.org\/2015\/10\/16\/18631\/see-how-much-2016-presidential-candidates-have-raised-so-far\" target=\"_blank\">$57.9 million<\/a>\u00a0through Jan. 31 \u2014 more than any other Republican candidate\u2019s campaign, although the pace of contributions fell off late last year as Carson faded in the polls.<\/p>\n<p>Its spending on fundraising has been equally striking. Expenses have soared so high that Carson found himself fending off a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/us-news\/2016\/jan\/22\/ben-carson-iowa-presidential-campaign-volunteer-death\" target=\"_blank\">direct question<\/a> about whether his campaign was one, big direct mail scam.<\/p>\n<p>His response was hardly definitive.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNot that I know of,\u201d Carson said.<\/p>\n<p>On CNN last week, Carson <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2016\/02\/23\/politics\/carson-cash-shakeup-intentional-on-purpose\/\" target=\"_blank\">laughingly suggested<\/a> that his campaign\u2019s former senior staff \u201cdidn\u2019t really seem to understand finances\u201d or \u201cmaybe they were doing it on purpose.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The Carson campaign has <a href=\"http:\/\/bigstory.ap.org\/article\/419ced0fe7c847378e3c52ca19a49989\/ben-carsons-campaign-manager-spokesman-leave-gop-campaign\" target=\"_blank\">churned through managers<\/a>, but most insiders give senior adviser Mike Murray credit for spearheading the grassroots strategy that made the campaign a striking success among small-dollar donors, giving Carson\u2019s bid instant credibility.<\/p>\n<p>Murray\u2019s relationship with Carson dates back to 2013, when the neurosurgeon reached new heights of public awareness after his remarks <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realclearpolitics.com\/video\/2013\/02\/07\/dr_benjamin_carson_addresses_national_prayer_breakfast_criticizes_obamacare.html\" target=\"_blank\">criticizing the president\u2019s health care overhaul<\/a> at the National Prayer Breakfast.<\/p>\n<p>Carson agreed to become the face of an anti-healthcare reform effort by American Legacy PAC, a political action committee founded by Murray. That effort far exceeded expectations, something Murray has attributed to Carson\u2019s appeal, and its supporters were an obvious source of money for Carson\u2019s presidential bid.<\/p>\n<p>When Carson decided to run for president, he stepped down from the American Legacy PAC chairmanship. Armstrong Williams, Carson\u2019s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thedailybeast.com\/articles\/2015\/09\/23\/meet-the-man-working-overtime-as-ben-carson-s-biggest-public-defender.html\" target=\"_blank\">business manager and confidant<\/a>, stepped into it, Williams confirmed in a February interview with the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.publicintegrity.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Center for Public Integrity<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>American Legacy PAC agreed to provide the nascent Carson campaign with information about its donors in an arrangement commonly referred to as a list exchange.<\/p>\n<p>Williams said he wasn\u2019t involved in the list exchange arrangement. In an interview with the Center for Public Integrity last month, Murray confirmed the list exchange agreement, as is typical, calls for American Legacy PAC to get information of equal value from the campaign in return.<\/p>\n<p>American Legacy PAC will not be entitled to any ownership rights over the full Carson campaign list, he said.<\/p>\n<p>The agreement between American Legacy PAC and the Carson campaign, though, has been clarified since it was first signed.<\/p>\n<p>Murray and Williams, who has no official role with the campaign but has acted as a high-profile public surrogate for Carson, confirmed that earlier this year, lawyers were directed to clarify language in the list exchange agreement to make it absolutely clear Carson America, Carson\u2019s campaign committee, was the sole owner of the campaign\u2019s donor list because \u201cthe language to some could have been confusing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey made sure the ambiguity was removed and it was clear that Carson America owns the list,\u201d Williams said. Murray confirmed that lawyers had \u201cadded a letter to the file.\u201d<\/p>\n<h3>Nice work if you can get it<\/h3>\n<p>Since launching last year, Carson\u2019s campaign committee has paid Murray\u2019s company, TMA Direct, about $5.7 million.<\/p>\n<p>Other top-earning vendors include Aston, Pennsylvania-based Action Mailers Inc., which has received nearly $6.9 million; Akron, Ohio-based Eleventy Marketing Group LLC, which has taken in about $10 million; and telemarketing company Infocision, also based in Akron, which has received about $4.9 million.<\/p>\n<p>Those numbers don\u2019t distinguish profit from expenses and the Carson campaign\u2019s costs are high, in significant part because Carson\u2019s team used expensive tactics such as direct mail and telemarketing to build its list. On some nights, the campaign through Infocision <a href=\"https:\/\/www.publicintegrity.org\/2015\/12\/14\/19002\/inside-ben-carsons-small-dollar-fundraising-machine\" target=\"_blank\">had as many as 400 people<\/a>\u00a0making fundraising calls.<\/p>\n<p>Williams said the expensive fundraising was necessary to boost the first-time candidate, and the campaign\u2019s strategy at one point had Carson at or near the top of the polls.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe bottom line is what they set out to do they\u2019ve accomplished overwhelmingly. And you can\u2019t criticize something that works,\u201d he said of the campaign.<\/p>\n<p>There is considerable overlap between Carson campaign vendors and American Legacy PAC. Two Murray companies, TMA Direct and Precision Data Management, are also on the payroll of American Legacy PAC. The companies have taken in more than $370,000 since 2013, according to federal campaign finance filings.<\/p>\n<p>Eleventy Marketing has been paid more than $30,000 by American Legacy PAC over the same period, and Infocision has received $4.8 million.<\/p>\n<p>Armstrong Williams Productions LLC, Armstrong Williams\u2019 company, has received approximately $170,000 from American Legacy PAC for strategic consulting and media production since 2013.<\/p>\n<h3>Angry donors<\/h3>\n<p>Many Carson donors are upset with the notion that their names could be shopped around.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYou mean they give my name to other people?\u201d asked South Carolina donor Lucille Thompson. \u201cI\u2019m not interested in that. I get more junk mail than I can handle. I\u2019m not interested in my name being given to anybody,\u201d she said before hanging up on the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.publicintegrity.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Center for Public Integrity<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI don\u2019t like that but I think it\u2019s just something I can\u2019t do much about,\u201d said Frederick Tedesco, 74, of Bonita Springs, Florida, who has given $265 to Carson\u2019s presidential campaign in $10 increments.<\/p>\n<p>Tedesco says he would throw away solicitations from candidates he\u2019s not interested in, though if Carson were to make the request on behalf of someone else \u201cI would definitely pay attention to that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Another 88-year-old Arkansas donor, who asked to have her name withheld, said Carson is the first political candidate she had ever donated to and she hadn\u2019t realized her information could be marketed to others.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cCan you prevent that?\u201d she asked.<\/p>\n<p>A substantial portion of Carson\u2019s contributors giving more than $200 described themselves as \u201cretired,\u201d \u201csemiretired\u201d or \u201cretirees,\u201d suggesting they may be elderly.<\/p>\n<p>Campaign finance data tracked by the Center for Responsive Politics shows Carson\u2019s campaign has reported receiving <a href=\"https:\/\/www.opensecrets.org\/industries\/recips.php?cycle=2016&amp;ind=W06\" target=\"_blank\">more money<\/a> from retired donors than any other Republican candidate\u2019s campaign, as of the end of January.<\/p>\n<p>Some said they know candidates typically rent their donor lists to others, and are preparing for the avalanche that is sure to come.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI get so many requests for money,\u201d said Clair Saxton, 93, of Cherry Log, Georgia. \u201cThe only one[s] I\u2019m giving anything to [are] Dr. Carson and the church.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Now that Ben Carson is dropping his GOP presidential bid, his supporters&#8217; personal information has become a hot commodity for political operatives.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":132414,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[11],"tags":[708,705,226,116],"class_list":["post-132409","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-news-and-analysis","tag-2016-election","tag-money-in-politics","tag-presidential-race","tag-washington"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/132409","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=132409"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/132409\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/132414"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=132409"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=132409"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=132409"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}