{"id":11007,"date":"2010-01-11T07:54:41","date_gmt":"2010-01-11T14:54:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.nmpolitics.net\/index\/?p=11007"},"modified":"2010-01-11T07:54:50","modified_gmt":"2010-01-11T14:54:50","slug":"audio-lyons-defends-whites-peak-land-swaps","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/nmpolitics.net\/index\/2010\/01\/audio-lyons-defends-whites-peak-land-swaps\/","title":{"rendered":"AUDIO: Lyons defends Whites Peak land swaps"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Land Commissioner Patrick Lyons points to access points at Whites Peak. (Photo by Peter St. Cyr)<\/p><\/div>\n

“People have told me it would be political suicide to try and solve the problems up there,” land commissioner says<\/h4>\n

Land Commissioner\u00a0Patrick Lyons <\/a>invited elected officials, the media and the public to his office Thursday to discuss a controversial four-way land exchange he previously agreed to make with private ranchers.<\/p>\n

He had planned to use the meeting to discuss the benefits of the state land swaps, but spent most of his time being grilled on the details by Democratic state Reps. Thomas Garcia<\/a> and Brian Egolf<\/a>, and fending off hunters and guides who were upset the meeting was being held the same day as one of the exchanges was closed — with Stanley Ranches.<\/p>\n

NMPolitics.net recorded the entire presentation. You can listen to it here<\/a>, or by clicking the play button on the bar below:<\/p>\n

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Making the case<\/strong><\/p>\n

Lyons, who claims the deal will increase the value of state lands in the Whites Peaks area alone by over $12 million, used a slide presentation and maps to illustrate long-standing issues such as\u00a0 checker-boarded land plots, deteriorating public access roads, trespassing, poaching and boundary distinctions to try and make his case.<\/p>\n

He told the crowd of about 50 people he intended\u00a0 to solve problems that have existed in the region for decades and “four commissioners before me.”<\/p>\n

Before the meeting began,\u00a0Lyons told NMPolitics.net, “People have told me it would be political suicide to try and solve the problems up there.”<\/p>\n

His friends may have been right.\u00a0Lyons did not get a warm reception from most people in the crowd, which included Mike Anaya<\/a> and Sandy Jones<\/a> — both Democrat primary candidates seeking to succeed Lyons, the only Republican state office holder.<\/p>\n

One hunter, Angelo Archuleta of Mora, accused Lyons of putting the private landowners’ interests over the interests of northern New Mexico’s hunting community. (You can hear that about 51 minutes into the audio recording.)<\/p>\n

Professional outdoor guide Alberto Goke,\u00a0who appeared disgusted with the Stanley Ranch deal being closed without public meetings,\u00a0told the crowd that the only thing they’ll find on lands being traded with Express UU Bar Ranches<\/a> will be “rattlesnakes” and antelope. He claimed all the prized bull-elk will be behind fences and fears ranchers will begin charging thousands for private hunts saying, “we’ll be left with Bambi.”<\/p>\n

Lyons disagreed, and said none of the ranchers have plans to build fences big enough to trap the preferred bull elks on the private lands.<\/p>\n

Lyons appeared confident when he claimed\u00a0 wildlife will migrate to water at ponds the state will acquire in the deals.<\/p>\n

\u201cWe’re getting prime elk hunting land,” Lyons said. \u201cThey’ll be at water during hunting season, and that’s what we’re getting.\u201d Lyons specifically mentioned archery season.<\/p>\n

‘It’s turned into a political free-for all’<\/h3>\n
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State Rep. Brian Egolf and Santa Fe County Commissioner Mike Anaya review financial summaries. (Photo by Peter St. Cyr)<\/p><\/div>\n

Rep. Egolf, who grilled Lyons about the value to beneficiaries, told Lyons he didn’t think the land should be exchanged because some landowners have complained about trespassers and vandalism.<\/p>\n

He wants Lyons to leave enforcement to the sheriff and park rangers, reminding Lyons that his job “is to maximize revenue for education — the primary beneficiaries of state trust lands.”<\/p>\n

Lyons responded that the beneficiaries he’s talked to support the exchanges and that revenues from the Game and Fish Department<\/a> have doubled during his seven years in office.<\/p>\n

Lyons said by eliminating most of the checker-boarding the value of the land will be increased and allow him to make more money for New Mexico off grazing leases and through camping, hunting, recreation and other activities.<\/p>\n

Meanwhile, one of two representatives of the state’s Attorney General’s Office, which has been investigating the land appraisals and other aspects of the deals, said once the deals have closed they may be forced “into litigation.” The representative said the AG’s office is concerned about\u00a0 the “lack of transparency in the deal.”<\/p>\n

Lyons said that there has been no secrecy surrounding the swaps, and State Land Office Attorney Robert Stranahan told the group that his office has “always been open for anyone who wanted to come and ask questions.”<\/p>\n

For now, both the governor and attorney general want three pending land exchanges that are part of the deal — which have still not closed — to be halted, but a spokesperson for Lyons’ said they will continue as planned.<\/p>\n

At the end of the meeting, Kristin\u00a0 Haase told a Journal North<\/a> reporter, \u201cIt’s turning into a political free-for-all.”\u00a0 She said, \u201cit’s disappointing they don’t see the merits of the exchange.\u201d<\/p>\n

St. Cyr is a contributing writer for this site and a reporter at 770KKOB.com. He can be reached at <\/em>peter.stcyr@gmail.com<\/em><\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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